Starve the Doubts

Headtrash with Renie Cavallari

September 03, 2021 Jared Easley
Starve the Doubts
Headtrash with Renie Cavallari
Show Notes Transcript

Renie Cavallari is the author of HeadTrash: The Leading Killer of Human Potential. Renie helps others get rid of their HeadTrash, aid leaders in becoming more effective, and helps entrepreneurs' businesses grow. 

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Headtrash with Renie Cavallari

Jared Easley: [00:00:00] Welcome to start over with Alex. I'm your host or one of your hosts, dear easily. Christine, how are you? I'm great. How are you doing? I am behaving and. I will be honest that there are a lot of podcasts episodes and a lot of interviews. And for some reason, those didn't seem quite intimidating, but when you're interviewing and they often wrote a book called the head trash, that can immediately start to play with your mind.

Christine. And so I'll be honest. I had a little head trash coming into the preparations interview. I hope I hope I will. We still stand our ground and represent properly that today's yes, of course is recount Laurie. She's the author of the book, head trash. It's the leading killer of human potential and she helps others get rid of their head trash.

She aides leaders of becoming more effective. She helps business owners grow their business. She does [00:01:00] a lot of wonderful things. We are so excited that you're here with us today. Thank you. 

Christine Watts: Thank you. It's great to be here. All right. So I'd 

Jared Easley: like to start out with some icebreakers. And one of the questions we enjoy asking our guests is what is the best concert that 

Christine Watts: you've been.

The best ever.

Oh my gosh. Well, I think the best one is probably the last one. Cause you know, it was the most fun that I can remember, but if I was to, you know, like the rolling stones, I mean, come on, that's stones, you know, it's a great time, but I've also seen, you know, concerts with Herbie Mann. Flutist. And I happened to play the flute and, and my first concert was David Bowie.

So that might've been my best concert because it was just like, you know, your first concert and I'm originally from Philly. So, and it was at the spectrum, which isn't even there anymore. I think I just aged myself by [00:02:00] accident. No, really? You did not. You, you 

Jared Easley: just got a lot of love and a lot of credit Christine is from west Philly, so yes, it's nice to have a connection finally.


Christine Watts: We're going to have some fun today, Euro. Yeah. Or we got to finish the sentence for you. The best thing about being a Florida state Seminole is blank.

Best thing. Well, I went to college there when Bobby Bowden was still, you know, the coach and, and just, you know, we just lost him. You know, uh, uh, the best thing was definitely an FSU football game, any football game, but then also the other good thing was, I'm a, I'm a Kappa alpha theta. And so shout out to my state of girls.

And so all my sorority life was great, you know, but maybe the best thing was definitely an [00:03:00] FSU football game. If I got a zero in on it, But I, I love the 

Jared Easley: image of Bobby, Bob alleged. I was fortunate to meet him when I was a teenager and he was just a super gentleman, a really amazingly kind person for someone that's big and as successful as he was.

So, yeah, I really glad that you were able to mention him. It is unfortunate that he passed recently, but I we're going to continue on here with finish this sentence I had done so well, the first one, the next finish, it says if you ever visit Phoenix, 

Christine Watts: if you ever visit. Well, it's it's, it's like a hundred and something today.

I'd say that's short sleeves are recommended.

That's actually ongoing with your answer. Replaying Gerald 

Jared Easley: answered. [00:04:00]

Christine Watts: Don't come. Yeah, don't come in June, July, August, honestly, a piece of September. So I'm happy to tell you that, that the convention and visitor center of Arizona probably just cut me off. So, oh no, 

Jared Easley: no.

Christine Watts: Now you were recently married in may. Congratulations. Uh, did you experience any trash while planning your work? So that's a great question. I didn't have any time to experience head trash because my family had all been vaccinated and it was the 1st of April. And I hadn't seen my mama in 18 months and it was like, Hey, let's bring mom out from Philly.

And my sister from LA and my brother's from Philly and all. And so all of a sudden we were getting everyone together. And my husband literally said over a [00:05:00] glass of red on April. We should just get married on the 17th when everybody's out. And so I had 16 days from start to finish. I had no head trash because I didn't have time for head trash.

I had to find a dress and, you know, we had a lot of work to do, you know, You know, what you focus on comes true. Right. And so I was focused on making sure that the people that I loved had an amazing time and wasn't focused on, okay, this is like one of those forever moments. Like I didn't go 

Jared Easley: there. Well, I saw some pictures on her social media.

And what was it? An outdoor wedding. 

Christine Watts: It was an outdoor wedding

in April the 17th. It was gorgeous. And we live right on a lake at the Arizona Biltmore with a golf course. So we just, we were so lucky because we could just, you know, [00:06:00] Yeah, we got married. It was small. And we just got married looking over the lake. And that was that. Yeah. All right. 

Jared Easley: So we're going to make it easy.

Uh, next question. Uh, this is a true or false, and that Christine's going to throw you a statement and you just tell us her boss and maybe give us a short explanation. 

Christine Watts: Okay. you were born to stand out. We all have warned to stand out. The fact that we're on the planet is a bloody miracle. If you think about it, statistically.

And I just think people are born. Yeah. You're born to stand out and to contribute. However you choose. Now, 

Jared Easley: I find it interesting that you made a choice. At one point you turned down an opportunity to become the only female partner in the firm that you were working for. There are people that are listening that may not be familiar with your story.

So why don't you do that? And what did that decision lead you to create? 

Christine Watts: Wow. So that was a few years ago, [00:07:00] 26 to over 26 years ago, I had an opportunity to become a partner in a firm. And I, I, it, I love the partners. I was grateful for the experience. They had been opening doors for me while I had worked there that were unusual for women to be, you know, in the seat.

And yet when they made me this offer, I came to realize that I didn't aspire to. Doing what I was going to be doing, which was, you know, leading all the operations of the organization and being the COO was never something that turned me on it. Wasn't my thing. And I, I didn't love that work. I literally asked for the weekend to think about it came back and resigned and didn't really have a plan.

And my background of my discipline is I'm a strategist. I always have a plan. And so it was kind of comical that, you know, here I was, and you know, people are saying, well, what are you going to do? And we had a really beautiful [00:08:00] transition. They took their time, replacing me with three people. And I decided, you know what?

I want to do the things I love to do with people. I love. And that's how aspire was born powered by aspire. Really, we are still doing things that we love, and I think that's when you were really open to growth and you know, when you're not doing things you love, it really becomes a lot of work. And we all hear that.

But how can you design things so that they're very aligned with your purpose and aligned with what turns you on? And that is,

you've been quoted for saying how with clarity comes courage. What does that mean to you? Can you explain. Well, I think when we're unclear, we become apprehensive, right? So, you know, if we're even, even if it's a [00:09:00] simple thing, but yet alone big decisions. So we have to work to clarity because when we have clarity, we're on the connected side of our emotional brain.

So we have this emotional brain, we have a physical brain that you know, is functional, but emotional brain that's actually running. And so there's two sides to your emotional brain, the connected side, and the disconnect, the disconnect inside is where the head trash lives in fear and worry and anxiety.

And we actually don't breathe the same way. And we, we have all kinds of imprints in our life that didn't service there, those nasty negative voice. And then we have the connected side and that's where joy is. And that's where, when you're looking to find things that. That you want to do, and you have solutions to problems.

You see the problem is on the disconnected side, the solution lives on the connected side and book, try and help people understand that you must find ways to live your life and the connected side of your emotional brain. [00:10:00] So getting back to your question, clarity lives on the, on the connected side of your emotional.

And that's where action lives. So when we have clarity, we take productive action. When we have productive action, then we start to gain momentum towards things that we want. And so we naturally courage just comes to the forefront because with clarity, we then can say, this is what I need to do, even if we're not completely sure.

We can start to move towards things, but when we have a noisy head, it's hard for us to have courage because we're not sure. And all that noise sucks. Our energy and sucks. Our courage. 

Jared Easley: Quick follow up to that. If someone is experiencing all that in the race.

Christine Watts: Well, that's, that's a fantastic question, Jared. Cause that's the whole game right there. So I really would look at it as. Two important approaches to get getting and living in the connected [00:11:00] side of your emotional brain. And I'm the first to tell you that you don't spend your whole life in that connected site?

I certainly don't. I have head trash just like everybody else, but there are certain things that you can do that are proactive in nature, and then things that you can do. So, let me start with proactive. And in the book, I, I literally, we did a survey and we had over a thousand people and we got feedback on what were the things that helped decrease their emotional stress because when your emotional stress is low, you're in the connect side of your emotional.

And so proactively that's fine. Like meditation breath, work journaling for some people it's working out. Other people it's running, uh, Christine we're from Philly. We only run if someone's chasing us. Right.

I mean, the disconnect, the side of my emotional brain, some people it's hiking. Right. So it could be gardening there. We identified there were [00:12:00] 29. Thanks. Quite honestly, there were well over a hundred answers to this question, but the majority kind of fell into this group. And these are the proactive habits that you put in your life that allow you to start your day on the connected side of your emotional brain.

So if you get up in the morning, which I was doing, you know, we all do this at times that I had this run of it. Where I would get up and I would watch the news and I would look at Facebook and like, you know, it wasn't even seven o'clock in the morning. And I was annoyed with life because things are triggering you to go into the disconnected side of your emotional brain, right?

The politics or the upsets that were happening, or what are we doing about this issue or that issue? They were stressful. Well, stress lives in the disconnected side of your emotional brain. So we can start our day and find, take a look at. And say, what are the habits that serve me and put me in the side of my emotional brain, then we can practice those.

And we can start to [00:13:00] eliminate the things that put us in the disconnect side, because when you're in the disconnect side, that's when you can't sleep or you have restlessness or you can't focus. So if we can do things that, and for everyone, it's a little different, but there's some things in that book.

Maybe it will touch you and you don't have to do all of them. My goodness. You'd never get anything done, but find the two that really serve you like this morning. I do my meditation. I journal because I go into gratitude right away. And then I go for, I went for a power walk this morning, got up and made it, got my blood move in and just started working through, you know, actually I talked to my mom and then I listed the music and worked through my day.

And that was it. And it was just this complete going into the connection. Okay. That's the proactive. Would you like to talk about what happens when it hits the fan? And you're the disconnected side of the emotional brain? I actually 

Jared Easley: had a question coming up about that, but, uh, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm not, [00:14:00] I don't want the whole back.

Christine Watts: Yeah, yeah, sure. So when, when you're in this reactive side, you know, it's happening, you're in the disconnected side of your emotional. And really there's three steps that you need to understand to get out of that. So the first step is to own it. We have to identify like, oh my gosh, what am I doing? And most of us know, cause we like, it feels uncomfortable.

We're unhappy, we're angry, we're reacting, whatever it is. So you own it. And the most important thing to get over to that other side of your brain, where your solutions and your piece live is to look at the questions that you're asking. Two questions that you're, it can be, you know, happening in your brain and some questions.

I call them the stuck questions. They keep you stuck in that story right there. They're not helpful questions. Like why is this happening? You know, [00:15:00] we'll never recover from this or what went wrong here. These are questions that keep us in the problem or the issue that we're up against. So those questions would be types of questions that would keep you up.

On the other hand, there are shift questions. So when we shift it, we're creating like a forward productive momentum. These questions empower us and give us better ideas and there for solutions. So instead we might think about a question like what's the first thing I can do to improve the situation, or what do I want to do right now?

Or what matters most? I like this one question, like when I feel like, you know, in judgment and kind of angry or, you know, I have something that I want to say, I got my Philly on, let's say, Christine, I asked the question of who do I want to be? Right. And if you think about that question, if you're really uptight and you ask yourself that question, but the nature of the question, it decreases your emotional stress and that allows you to [00:16:00] shift and there for get into productive action.

And that productive action is in the connected side of your emotional brain. Okay. Now, given the context that you just shared, how can the work that an individual is doing now be a light? Well, I think first and foremost is. Does your. What is it that you want in your forward future? A lot of us are kind of moving through and with so much chaos right now.

We're not really taking time to say, well, what is it that I want, we need to, honestly, it's as simple as map your goals. What is it that you want the next three months, six months year? What is it you want in your, you know, your life? There's also the great exercise of the dash, right? What will people say about you, you know, at your passing and.

First, we have to understand that because that's, the light will lead this to that. But if we don't know where we're going, the light is all over the place. So that's the first thing is to understand [00:17:00] what is it that. And then when we have that, then we can break it into little bite sizes so that we can start doing things that align with that.

And this is where those habits come back in. Christine, where, when you, you know, are you, are your habits aligned with where you want to go or are they holding you. And so it really isn't as tricky as it sounds in terms of having what you want in your life and living to your full potential. Really it's about what's the journey you're taking and being mindful and present where you are at this time and how you're living.

So that you can continue to move towards what you want versus kind of just being out there like a, you know, a sale that's not tied down and has no direction. You know, the boat will keep moving. The sailboat will keep moving. It just, who knows where it's going to go. And that might be okay because that might be for you the right.

But for others where you have certain [00:18:00] goals or aspirations, what you want next, you really have to step back, be in the connected side, map out your plan. What are you doing? How will you get there? Who do you know that can help you? What can you learn? What are the habits you need to change? And through all of that, you will start to move.

The last thing I want to say on that question is what is it that you're really celebrating along the way? You know, I have to tell you, you know, that head trash, the book, it was my sixth book and, you know, to be writing head trash before the pandemic. And then all of a sudden the pandemic happens. I needed to stop writing and, and work with our clients and, you know, really dig in and then to come back and then continue.

It's like, well, what is it? What's the real purpose of sharing this book and what is the real, what's the soul here? And I think that when we are grounded in why we are doing the things we are doing, And we understand what they're providing us, that why, what it provides us, [00:19:00] then we can really flourish.

can you share some examples of the habits? Well, yeah, they were some of the things I already mentioned, like what, how you get up in the morning and what are the things that you're doing? Right. You know, to get your day started and you know, how are they serving you? But some habits are, you know, for me, you know, I organized today, so that tomorrow is in chaos, right?

So before I close up today for my Sunday, everybody knows, uh, my team, you know, I regroup on Sunday. So my week is planned out. It's a habit that decreases emotional stress for me. And I think that's how you want to look at habits. Some habits serve you some habits. Don't. It's not for me to judge which habits serve.

Or don't serve you. It's for me to judge my own. So if I have it, isn't serving you. In other words, it's not giving you the joy you want in your life because ultimately [00:20:00] success equals joy, right? That's really, you know, people say, well, it's money, or I want this car. I want that. Well, it's what those bring you.

Well, if they bring you happiness and they bring you ultimately joy, then go for it. And that's the beauty of, you know, our, our being. It doesn't we get to define what joy is for ourselves, but you know, some habits, you know, if you were drinking too much, you watch too much TV. That's, you know, a, this kind or that, you know, maybe you're a gamer and you're spending, you know, three hours a day on gaming and.


Jared Easley: cannot relate to that.

Christine Watts: Sorry. Sorry. I have friends. I have friends who are in gaming. It stimulates their mind and it makes them creative and they find joy in it. So that's a great habit for them. Right. In the end. If it's serving you, then it's a habit to keep. But if it's not serving [00:21:00] you, it's a habit that needs redoing. That makes sense.

Does that make sense? Like actually redoing it needs replacement, bad habits should be replaced with something. And there's so much research on habits that they really come down to, like, what is your motivational factor on, on shifting a habit that isn't serving you? So, 

Jared Easley: uh, this question may be disconnected side that you mentioned, but in 2020, your company cost $1.1 million in five days a month, other challenges and, and other things, how were you able to follow and resilience plan in the midst of such a difficult situation?

Christine Watts: Well, first of all, as I said, I, you know, my background I'm I had to just, and so strategists looks at problems and those end into planning, right. And how do we leverage this opportunity? Or what are the opportunities? What do we need to do, you know? And in this case to survive and help our clients survive.

So I think that that's kind of the [00:22:00] mindset when you're at the foundation of being a stressed. Good. The other thing is that, you know, I've been in business for 26 years and, uh, you have some experience of when the universe is talking to you. And it was clear in early March to us that, you know, it was gonna be an unknown road.

And so we literally sat down and the beauty of creating a resilience plan or any plan is that it gives you clarity. So going back to Christine's question of earlier, you know, well, it clarity gives you courage. Well, we had to make, as we coach, I coach a lot of CS had to make really courageous decision.

So just making a decision, you know, when you have clarity around it, it gets easier to do it still. Might've broken your heart to make the decision or to have to lay people off. It certainly did me, but when you have clarity, you can move, you have clarity gives you a agility. Clarity gives you focus.

Clarity [00:23:00] gives you alignment with others, and it also gives you courage. And so we worked into, it was a four, there were four elements to our resilience. You know, one was obvious that we had to cut costs that we were probably should have cut before, but we definitely had to cut costs. What were the revenues and the, and the clients.

We looked at our clients in two ways. Okay. What clients still need us. We had a lot in senior living. They were really in need of us. What revenue sources could we put out there that would help our own company and how else, you know, what were the strategies that we needed to be focused on for our clients?

So that was like kind of the revenue. And then the third bucket was operational efficiencies. And, you know, I would tell you, these buckets should be like permanent buckets. This is what we considered in our resilience plan. And that third one was operational efficiencies. You know, where are the things where we're wasting?

You know, I can't tell you how many memberships we had where we, you know, we had a [00:24:00] membership, you know, we had 40 users, but we only had 20 people using it. Yeah. It's like mind boggling for us. In some ways it was sloppiness. Right. We were sloppy. We had to clean up a little bit in our operational efficiency.

And the forest, which was as important as all, was what we call the, give the gift strategy and the gift strategy was who are we going to help? And so for us, when you, for all human beings, actually, when you give you, you live in gratitude, because there is an exchange that occurs. It's not about some of recognizing you're giving, you know, so right now, you know, we always have a good strategy, but during that time, myself and others in our firm, we did 80.

I think it was 80 to 82 or 86 free speeches on navigating the chaos. So we were on zoom. For all of our clients all over the world, talking to as many people as we could and [00:25:00] providing a platform for them to understand that leadership is the only way out of this mess that we're in. And so we have to rise.

And what are the elements that you will need to be a great leader? And so we donated, you know, 86 or 82, I can't remember exact. And then we also donated over 500 executive coaching hours to in particular, the hospitality industry, which represents 40% of our business. I grew up in the hospitality industry and the hospitality industry was just, it's just been an endless tornado, hurricane and earthquake all in one that doesn't seem to like.

And so our give allowed us, you know, to all of us, to feel good about contributing to the welfare of others. And when we do that, it puts us all, even in chaos, in the connected side of our emotional brain. And that's where people can really rise when [00:26:00] they are, you know, leading from that side. So that was what happened with that.

I bet you didn't think it was going to be that long. Are you guys still awake over there? Yeah. No. Yeah, we had, Hey, listen, it was a rough week. I got to tell you, you know, Yeah. I, it was a rough week. Like when I said I stopped writing, I stopped writing, 

Jared Easley: like, how are we going to fix this? Let's go give 82 speeches.

Christine Watts: Right? Well, we gave 82 speeches for free. So it actually cost more because we had to upgrade. We had to upgrade our zoom because we had 500 people and 600 people joining in. And like all of a sudden we were crashing out all the time. It actually costs us money and who cares because you're doing the right thing for the right reasons.

It always, you always navigate the way that Christine, you should know this being fulfilling, that there is a soul about what we do. And when we do it in [00:27:00] good faith, our impact is, you know, a huge ripple. Yeah, for sure. Now you've said that networking as the, is the best marketing, can you share an example of how networking has helped you.

Uh, COVID the company stayed alive. We have been blessed with over 90% retention of our clients year over year for well, for 26 years, this is our 26th year COVID, by the way, it was our 25th year happy anniversary. And, uh, it was a rough anniversary, but so I would tell you that we strive and our single focus.

On a weekly basis is, you know, how are our clients doing? How is our relationship with them? I ask clients all the time on a scale of one to five, how are we doing for you? It doesn't matter that our results may show that we're up 12% or we're down it. Doesn't what matters is how are people feeling [00:28:00] in terms of being engaged with you?

Are you delivering on your promises as a company? We really don't have a sales force. Sometimes, you know, I really think we need one, but our focus has always been retained and then expand the accounts and referrals. And, you know, and referrals have been a major part of our growth. I mean, a major part of our growth.

All our big clients have come through someone else and all of our clients make us better. You know, I was talking to. Actually David Kong yesterday, he's the CEO of best Western international. And we have worked together for years and years and years. And we were talking exactly about that. You know, David's going to be retiring at the end of this year.

And I was saying, you know, you always pushed us. And that is the best kind of client relationship because when you're both getting better together, Heck that's called marriage too. Isn't it?[00:29:00]


So radio 

Jared Easley: on a scale of one to five. 

Christine Watts: Yeah, I love your question. Handful of podcasts. And, uh, you know, I I'm well over a hundred, like between interviews and podcasts, et cetera, things on the book. And I love that you, your questions are not there. They're about how are we living? And I think that to me is really, you know, people ask me, what, what is this book about?

And it's about how do you. With more joy. And I feel like that's a real critical mission in my own life for myself and for the people around me that I love and for the people I work in the world with and that's all of us. So yeah. I love your questions on a scale of one to five, I'd given it a six.

Jared Easley: [00:30:00] I do think. 

Christine Watts: Yeah.

Jared Easley: speaking of passion. And does that plays into this next question? Would you be willing to tell us a story from your experience about how showing compassion and kindness has been benefited? 

Christine Watts: Well, I'll tell you about an organization. You know, part of the spires philanthropic work it's called the be kind people project.

We're so committed to it. Our COO JC Thompson is on the board. They just moved into a building that I own because they were in need. And this organization is, it touches my heart. They go into. Schools elementary schools in particular, and they have all these great, talented kids that are coming out of college that are artists of some kind they're dancers and singers, et cetera.

And they teach [00:31:00] kindness to children through, you know, every kind of music and song and, and they help children learn that kindness is the way to go. And they even put these things called buddy bench. I want one, the buddy bench sits on the playground and when someone is feeling sad and, you know, think about it in these developmental years, you know, when you're really are trying to figure out how to fit in half, you know, most of us are still trying to find out I need one of these buddy benches so I can, what I'm feeling like.

I need a friend and that's what it is. You sit on a buddy bench and they've been taught. They've been educated to when someone is sitting on the buddy bench, they just need a. And they want to be included or something is going on and how can you reach? And so to me, the big kind people project, which is in Arizona, but it's also gone into other states now.

I just, everything they do and the people that do it, you know, you [00:32:00] can't teach kindness. That'd be in this organization and not be a compassionate person. Like you just can't. I believe that most of us are compassionate. You know, compassion to me is when we're not living in judgment or we're not judgmental about it towards another person or situation, we're trying to find unity in it.

And so when I'm in judgment of another person, I'm always. My listening skills suck. I'm not, you know, open to ideas because I'm in judgment. There's a wall there. So when I'm in compassion, I'm open. And this is what I love about this organization. And I work on compassion all the time because you know, it's really easy to be in judgment, especially when the world has so much anger all over the place right now.

I don't know if you guys. It's certainly prevalent for me. And it's a heavy, it creates a heaviness in the air. And so, you know, I always just try and stay out of judgment. And how can I help here? Who [00:33:00] can I be? And at this moment, who do I want to be? And that helps shift me. I don't always do it. I didn't say I didn't give you an example of my kindness.

Good example of what a great organization is doing. I think kindness for me is coaching people. That's been my life's work, you know, awakening the potential of people, like talk about a great gift in my life. Let the 

Jared Easley: record reflect that you always have on the buddy bench. 

Christine Watts: Yeah. Now rainy, isn't that what they're doing?

Well, you know what? I'll make it easy for you. I will hook you up with JC and we'll get the founder and you'll love her. She's amazing. And she's done some big stuff in her career. I'll let her speak to that. But yeah. Yeah. 

Jared Easley: Not to get on a tangent ringing my daughter the other day, we had a parent teacher's meeting before school started and she met some of [00:34:00] those students are class and there's a lot of new girls and she said, wouldn't it be fun if I could have, if me and my friend could have a play date so that all the new girls can meet all the girls that are already here.

And they would feel included. And I was like, that's a really wonderful idea. And so we didn't find a play date that we got with a couple of the parents plan, ice cream, social on Friday after school and invited all the all fifth grade girls in our classes. And their parents. And so they came in the new group.

It was to welcome it. Wasn't that idea that my daughter had is not quite the buddy bench like you're describing, but that was inspired by an act of kindness or, you know, just my daughter saying, Hey, there's new students and they don't know anyone, and this would be a way for them to interact and get to know.

And, uh, so it was a hit, it was a wonderful thing. It went really well. And I can spiral off of that and tell you the other things that happened from that. But that's an example of my 10 year old boss, just thinking [00:35:00] that way, which I'm really proud of him for. So 

Christine Watts: yeah, as you should be, because that is beautiful.

Thoughtfulness, which is what she did. And I say thoughtfulness like F U L L thoughtfulness is, you know, like that's such a, a unique gift, fifth grader. And so, you know, kudos to you, you you're doing it right? Yeah. Because also, you know, I, I can tell you, you know, my daughter had some bullying in her high school years, and it was just devastating, you know, and it really is all bullying is just about fear, the fear of not being good enough for someone being better than me.

And how will I fit in and what will I do? And this is at least at the school level. And of course, you know, bullying can also be something that you'll learn from other people or you're doing because you feel safest by doing it. But when we have that limit, it puts people in the disconnected side of their [00:36:00] emotional brain.

Nothing good happens on that side of your emotional brain, nothing now, Reni, where can listeners pick up, uh, their copy of your new book, head trash and connect with you online. Well, you can pick up a book. Of course, on Amazon. You can also go to my head [email protected] you sign up, there's a VIP, you can sign up through the VIP and you can get the book there.

It'll still go through Amazon, but the reason you want the VIP is we put all kinds of. Tools and resources for people to help them as they navigate their head trash. We don't sell lists. We don't do anything. There's no, nothing about the list it's got shenanigans. You know, it's more just here are resources for you.

For me personally, you can reach me at Reni, which is R E N as in Nancy, I [00:37:00] [email protected] That's the name of my office. Powered by and, um, any questions or anything that we didn't get a chance to talk about. Send it my way.

Jared Easley: Yeah, I hope people will check that out, my head trash stuff. Um, and then they can go access. The VIP package is what you're encouraging them to 

Christine Watts: do. Yeah. Well, there you get all kinds of additional resources and, you know, we'd love you to buy the book. And even if you don't buy the book, there's resources there because my mission is to help people find more joy and really awaken their potential.

And so we strive where that's, where. Wonderful. Oh, we 

Jared Easley: always close out with final thoughts. I read you've been very generous. You have any last parting words for us? 

Christine Watts: Oh, well, I guess my words would be thank you so much for having me and making it so fun to hang with the two of you and making it interesting for me and hopefully your listeners as well, and, [00:38:00] and, uh, you know, dump your head trash.

Find more joy in your life. And unfortunately, you know, the thing about trash is it comes, you know, the pickup happens every, like, you know, Friday at my house. And so you have to stay on it cause it's not like it's one and done, you know, just, we have trash and we got to learn how to. Well, we 

Jared Easley: really appreciate that and yeah, it's nice for Christine to be convicted about her gaming as well.


Christine Watts: yes, personally attack now. Thank you.

Yeah. I mean, heck I have friends who have huge gaming companies. That's all they do when they hear this podcast. They're going to be on my butt. So yeah, no judgment here, Christine, 

Jared Easley: we got like the Phoenix, uh, travel industry. 

Christine Watts: We've got to send that to them.[00:39:00]

Jared Easley: They're going to be doing 82 free speeches here.

Thank you so much. Best verses in the book and with everything. 

Christine Watts: Thank you. .